i mean the more domestic supply we have, the less we depend on opec ps of the world, no question. the problem we have as the world though, 92 million barrels a day roughly what the production is. that is about a million barrels a day of excess capacity. so any little flare-up in the middle east will impact world oil prices. ashley: so do you think we'll be energy independent anytime soon? we're almost there. >> yeah. i think by "20/20" -- 2020 we have legitimate chance between all the natural gas we're bringing on and oil we're bringing on, on energy equivalent basis we'll be independent. we'll be importing oil and exporting gas as lng, very good, interesting stuff. john shiller, chairman of energy defend one. john, thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having us. tracy: you make a great point, saudi arabia will not be very happy about our quest for independence. ashley: that is real threat to them. tracy: big-time. is the federal reserve stimulus actually bad for investors? yeah, one major bank says yes. liz macdonald back and on the story. ashley: but first let's